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Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker.

by Politicalslave, Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:00:46 PM EST

Old Guard/New guard, Black/White. Male/Female, Left/Right Clearly the Republican party have tried to instill division. We have all experiensed this at times on this site. But they have received a lot of help from us. We all have "Deal Breakers" issues that we will not compromise on and this is where the Republicans seem to be different, they will do anything to win. It seems to be part of the Democratic profile that we would rather win the "battle" than the "war". An Obama administration
has so much upside and of course a McCain administration would be unthinkable. But with our "help" we can make a McCain administration a reality. Imagine if we gave McCain four years. Your deal breaker may be different from mine which is why supporting McCain is the ultimate deal breaker. This is one deal breaker we can all agree on. Our candidate Senator Obama is doing a great job for a young "inexperienced" candidate. The Republicans are hammering him. PUMA is angry, Jessie Jackson is jealous. I don't believe we have a problem with diverse views or holding Obama's "feet to the fire" We do have a problem with being proud and supportive of a candidate who could grow with our help into one of our best Presidents. Let's welcome debate but let's defend our candidate at every turn because we have so much to LOSE.

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Tell us (none / 0)

The top 3 things you hated about bush policy. And then tell everyone where you think we are going to be in those 3 things in the next 4 years with democratic or republican president.

Mine are

Hated Bush for before this election year:

1. Iraq- ruined our economy

Civil liberties taken away
Religious zealot who wore his religion on sleeve and introduced religion into the white house agenda.

I'll add another one.
4. Threat to pro-choice.

He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."

by roxfoxy on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:06:35 PM EST

Re: Tell us (none / 0)

Good question.

Iraq
Environment
Economy
Great question but now I feel angrier. Ha Ha

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:25:03 PM EST
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Re: Tell us (none / 0)

My top three not already mentioned

1. treatment of service persons/veterans and how the bulk of money is being spent in Iraq to line the pockets of their cronies

2. All things Katrina

3. No child left behind

I am irate that McCain campaigns on his veteran status but would vote against the new GI Bill in order for "stop loss" reasons. Here's a thought John, pay soldiers a living wage, don't send them to fight stupid wars and don't send them on multiple back to back tours of duty and maybe that would solve retention problems while still allowing us to give veterans the support they deserve.
I believe Obama will generously fund veterans programs and end the flow of cash to contractors in Iraq.

I believe in the first year of the Obama Adminstration we will finally see significant progress in rebuilding the neighborhoods of New Orleans and real help for the people still suffering there.

I believe Obama will develop an education initiative focused on real learning for all children and stop punishing those children who need federal help the most.

Sexism is real.

by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 08:00:34 AM EST
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Re: Tell us (none / 0)

Enjoyed your comment Grass. It really is a crime that our troops pay the ultimate price while theses bastards line their pockets.

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:34:22 AM EST
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Re: Tell us (none / 0)

I go absolutely fuckwild at the Republican rhetoric surrounding veteran's benefits, recruitment and military pay. It's the most transparent, convoluted, disingenuous, slimey GOP claptrap out there -- and that's really saying something.

We can't pay the troops more because that would "attract" too many recruits only interested in the money and not true service. Oh. I guess that rule doesn't apply to high government officials and elected leaders.

We have to close down veteran's hospitals to make the rest of them "more efficient". I guess increased funding to improve all of them is off the table.

We shouldn't offer generous educational benefits for putting your life on the line because that would make civilian life more attractive and hurt retention. oh. That must be the logic behind maintaining a system that leaves veterans homeless and jobless. At least if they re-upped they'd have a dry bed and three squares.

Support our troops my ass.

Sexism is real.

by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:15:34 AM EST
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Re: Tell us (none / 0)

I get so angry when it comes to our soldiers and how they are treated. Thanks as always

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:04:10 PM EST
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I do (2.00 / 4)

think many don't want to hold Obama's feet to the fire for fear it will hurt him.

I think it will only help him.

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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:19:15 PM EST

Re: I do (2.00 / 1)

Senator Clinton for example helped him a lot so I understand your point but when people from all sides are piling on I think we need to also show support we have no problem attacking our own candidate. Thank you for your comment.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:28:15 PM EST
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Re: I do (2.00 / 6)

I think there's a constructive way to do it, and a destructive way to do it.

A constructive way is to say "I disagree with him on this issue and will make that known, but I will still vote, work for, and fund him." It's a way of expressing disagreement with him on a single issue, while supporting the rest of his very Democratic platform.

A destructive way is to say "this is just more proof that he's a [pick one: flip-flopper / centrist / old-politician / weakling / empty suit], and I'll maybe vote for him and not support him." Not only does this weaken the support Obama needs to get to the White House - and if anyone needs any reminding of exactly why we need a Democrat in the White House, many reasons can be provided - but it also reinforces the characterizations of Sen. Obama that the right wing is going to try to lock in.

I've seen plenty of both here, and on Big Orange. The first one we absolutely need - not only for Sen. Obama, but for all our Democrats. The second one is only helping John McCain, and should be frowned upon by all who are devoted to seeing Democratic values put in place at the highest levels of government.

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by mistersite on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:52:04 PM EST
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Re: I do (2.00 / 2)

Agreed by all means let's debate and "lean" on our candidate and support him! Thanks mistersite.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:58:27 PM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 2)

Only 3? Damn, you make it tough.

1) Iraq war

Torture
Civil Liberties

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:26:00 PM EST

Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 2)

Imagine Torture! How could we? Bush has made us into a "bad guy" meanwhile American can be so generous and kind and heroes but what does Bush do. This why McCain is the deal breaker.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:30:54 PM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 2)

What small amount of respect I still had for McCain disappeared when he sold out on torture. I shouldn't have been surprised. He had already sold out on all of his other principled stands before that.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:50:08 PM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 4)

Yep. Before his vote on the waterboarding amendment, I had at least a little respect for McCain because he was willing to buck the nutjobs on what is to me the crucial moral issue of our time.

After he decided that torture's fine and dandy - to hell with him. I'm devoted not just to making sure Obama wins but to making sure McCain goes down in as humiliating a way possible in the fall. Torture is where I draw the line; I am devoted to ensuring that those who support it have no political future.

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by mistersite on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:55:21 PM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 3)

Torture is a moral issue so what separates us from the bad guys when we are doing the same?Is it any wonder why we have lost respect around the planet. Some "Superpower"

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:02:50 AM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (none / 0)

what you missed was - explaining how they would be different with Republican or democrat in the whitehouse.

He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."

by roxfoxy on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:31:47 AM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (none / 0)

That wasn't the question, but since you ask...

Iraq war: John McCain "100 years, that would be fine with me." Barack Obama: "Bring the troops home as soon as possible."

Torture: John McCain - it's ok for the CIA to torture. Barack Obama - Torture is wrong, period.

Civil Liberties (Habeas ruling): John McCain - worst decision ever by SC. Barack Obama - Right ruling by SC.

Ask and ye shall receive.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:18:31 AM EST
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They're starting to act like my father (2.00 / 4)

Truth is, they don't want to win, because they have absolutely no idea how to handle winning. It's such an alien concept to them that it's frightening. Being out of the mainstream, one of the "cool kids" who is smarter than everyone else, is a much more comfortable position for them to be in.

For this reason, they've already subconsciously devoted to hating Obama, because he's now too mainstream and too likely to win. They'd feel like a lemming if they supported him; much better to be in the small group of "in the know" folks who have "seen the light" and no longer support him. And for this reason they need to cling tightly to the first excuse they can find to hate him.

They throw flimsy excuses and slogans like "Obama killed the 4th Amendment!" without even understanding what the new FISA legislation does. They seek the latest talking point like a teenager chasing trends.

It's like the mass exodus of devoted fans that happens any time a popular indie rock band's first hit single gets on the charts--even if the music is just as good as it's always been. "Man, they used to be cool, but now they're just total sellouts..."

Why do I understand all this? I used to be one.

Hi, my name is BishopRook, and I'm a recovering Kucinich supporter. I've been sane and pragmatic for four and a half years.

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by BishopRook on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:31:44 PM EST

Re: They're starting to act like my father (2.00 / 1)

BishopRook I have to agree and I appreciate hearing your point of view. Hope to read one of your diaries soon.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:36:14 PM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

BishopRook I have to agree and I appreciate hearing your point of view. Hope to read one of your diaries soon.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:37:29 PM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (2.00 / 1)

This is something I hadn't considered. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving me something to think about.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:51:42 PM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

Ironically enough, given your username, many in the netroots remind me of indie kids - the ones who love a rock band until the band gets popular and everyone else starts liking them, then they start finding reasons not to like them anymore.

It's more fun to have the secret than to be one of many supporters - especially in an age where early adopter cred is less and less a factor.

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by mistersite on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:58:44 PM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

Aaaaaaaaand I just realized that I totally cribbed the parent post's metaphor without having read it. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Oh, and Sigur Ros sucks now that everyone else knows about them.

No. I can't say that. Sigur Ros is still incredible.

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by mistersite on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:59:57 PM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

I've mentioned my age (61) on here more than once. Don't let my age fool you. I listen to indie bands quite often. I'm listening to Evil Urges by My Morning Jacket right now. Good song. I also listen to adult alternative radio quite a bit.

When I'm not listening to indie or aa, I'm usually listening to the stones or ac/dc. Of course, living in the Memphis area means I listen to a lot of live blues bands. Love the blues.

The indie in my username doesn't refer to indie bands, though. As you've probably guessed, my user name refers to the fact that I am not registered with any political party. I prefer to keep my independence, although I work for and support Democratic principles and candidates.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:31:36 AM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

From Michigan to Memphis? Why if I may ask?

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:41:20 AM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

What else? A woman.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:05:54 AM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

Ha Ha Of course. I'm so stupid. Well I hope you are having a good time. I always look forward to reading your opinions. Cheers

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:12:15 AM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

You must have missed the post where I told about my fiancee - http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/6/19547 /68387
The key part is in the blockquote.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:15:44 AM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

Life can be very tough sometimes as you of course know. Thank you for revealing such a personal part of your life. I wish you my very best. Here's to hope! and a new life.

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:34:39 AM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

I moved from Atlanta to Knoxville for a job, so that's a second possibility.

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by BishopRook on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:14:51 AM EST
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Re: They're starting to act like my father (none / 0)

Q: Are you a member of any organized political party?

A: Nope, I'm a Democrat.

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by January 20 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:52:52 AM EST
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Great insight, BishopRook! (none / 0)

Someone should write a diary on this -- the real audacity of hope to some people -- those who've carved out a nice little niche for themselves as perpetually disenchanted.

I know folks like this whose only "solution" is a third party, or a wholesale revolution or someone they deem their intellectual and ideological equal and anything less than that is just a "waste of time" or "more of the same."

They are so committed to "more of the same" and maintaining their jaudiced view they'll turn over every rock to prove their point.

Frankly? I think hope and change scares the hell out of them. It might mean they have to actually do something beyond sit around and cripe.

Sexism is real.

by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 08:11:09 AM EST
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Re: Great insight, BishopRook! (none / 0)

And that they might have to defend the ideology of liberalism rather than attack the ideology of conservatism; and that they might have to govern rather than criticize the governors.

Anyway, since I'm apparently bringing up this phenomenon anew, I will name it.

Counter-counterculturalist. Someone who disagrees with her counterculturalist peers for the sake of disagreeing.

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by BishopRook on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 08:46:09 AM EST
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Counter-counter culturalist (none / 0)

I love it!

Back in the 90's a professor labeled me a post-post modernist. What a hoot!

Sexism is real.

by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:06:30 AM EST
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Re: Great insight, BishopRook! (none / 0)

That's right Grass. They want to keep the bar nice and low. God it's hard to believe it could go any lower but then there is John McCain. Actually doing something would make it unbearable for some. Obama is going to make a lot of people look bad just by doing his job.

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:05:51 AM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (none / 0)

Sorry I'm even angrier so I can't write properly now. Thank you MS01

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:32:54 PM EST

Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (none / 0)

The irony of it is we (Democrats) do it to ourselves. We claim to be the Big Tent party, but when it comes to accepting views different from our sub-group we make a huge debacle out of it. The GOP just uses it against us, they give us they rope and we hang ourselves with it.

I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?

by hootie4170 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:36:16 PM EST

Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 1)

Nice to hear from you Hootie. Well put! Big tent turns into big brawl

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:40:17 PM EST
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It's like we want to screw up a sure thing, almost as if were massacists.

I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?

by hootie4170 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:49:34 PM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (none / 0)

Yes that's what I'm afraid of.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:51:46 PM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 2)

By the way - for future reference - the term is "masochists."

I strongly recommend not searching google for that term, unless you have SafeSearch on or you're into that sort of thing.

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by mistersite on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:01:41 AM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (none / 0)

I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?

by hootie4170 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:02:33 AM EST
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Where were you in the primaries (1.66 / 3)

when people were writing recommended diaries saying they simply COULD NOT vote for that horrible Senator from New York if she were to win the nomination? Where were you when Obama said he could get her supporters if he won the nomination, but he wasn't sure if she could get his? Where were you in late February when Nancy Pelosi said a unity ticket would be a bad idea?

Cry us a river.

by catfish2 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:39:36 PM EST

Re: Where were you in the primaries (2.00 / 2)

Another fine sweeping generalization brought to you by catfish2. Sponsored in part by the PUMA movement and Faux News Channel.
Check your local listings or the next GOP meme for the next episode of "Catfishing and Obama Bashing".

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by hootie4170 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:54:06 PM EST
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Re: Where were you in the primaries (2.00 / 1)

Hey, stop trying to make sense! Can't you see these people are rearranging their rationalizations for backing Obama, or trying to construct fictions that will make it easier?

In the end it's really all about (a) being "right" about Iraq, though they have only trivial answers about what to do, (b) some kind of health care reform, (c) he's not running as a Republican, and (d) he's a black man.

Which is not inherently terrible, many politicians are elected for even less particular reason. But (c) and (d) get old and dubious in a hurry once in office, (b) is basically Congress's business. Leaves (a), which Obama is starting to hedge and fudge on.

by killjoy on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:22:48 AM EST
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Re: Where were you in the primaries (none / 0)

Killjoy You never disappoint.

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:35:20 AM EST
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So we're down to Iraq (none / 0)

Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough noted Obama is now siding with Scalia and Thomas on women's reproductive rights, on guns, on the death penalty. Buchanan said it should be the law office of Scalia, Thomas and Obama.

And why would McCain be "so much worse"?

by catfish2 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:52:57 AM EST
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Re: So we're down to Iraq (none / 0)

You might trust a Republican like Pat Buchanan but
not me. Nice try.

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:56:06 AM EST
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Re: So we're down to Iraq (none / 0)

Well if this helps drag some of the more gullible Republican voters to our side then I say let Pat & Joe lie as much as they want.

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by January 20 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:56:13 AM EST
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of course they would (none / 0)

Buchanan and Scarborough are Republicans, and they want McCain to win.
So of course they're going to lie about Obama.
Why would you expect anything more from those two?

And why would McCain be so much worse? Well, let me put it this way, if you like George Bush, you're going to love John McCain.

McCain promises to balance the budget?
Well, first he promised to balance the budget in his first term. Then he said he wouldn't. Then he said he would, because all of the money we would get from "winning" in Iraq and Afghanistan could balance the budget.

The McCain administration would reserve all savings from victory in the Iraq and Afghanistan operations in the fight against Islamic extremists for reducing the deficit. Since all their costs were financed with deficit spending, all their savings must go to deficit reduction.

you just can't make this stuff up.

As Steven Colbert says:

Now, decisions that were made in the past is how people without experience define experience. So how can McCain claim to be more qualified of a candidate because of his experience yet also claim that any history of bad decisions is irrelevant? Easy. Experience. You see, he is experienced enough to know that some experience is relevant, like the fact that he has experience. While other experience, like his previous experiences, are irrelevant."

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:28:44 AM EST
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Re: of course they would (none / 0)

Yes you put much better than I did. So true If you like George Bush you will love McCain. More of the same. Thanks Skohayes

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:47:56 AM EST
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Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (none / 0)

Catfish I have no doubt that some people said that but people say stupid things in the heat of battle. I'm not crying I'm afraid we just might hand this to McCain. Senator Clinton is leading the way lets follow. Cheers

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:44:51 PM EST

Re: Supporting McCain is the real deal breaker. (2.00 / 1)

Imagine what Bush would do with four more years.
If we let McCain in we will find out quickly. It's actually amazing how Bush screwed up this country so quickly.

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:08:45 AM EST

Will do anything to win? (none / 0)

Is doing anything/everything to win good or bad?

During the primaries, Hillary was vilified for seeming to be willing to do anything to win.

Now, I'm observing that Obama is actually willing to do anything to win.

It seems like Dems are as good as Reps in the "winning at all costs" department.

So I'm not worried one bit.

by Sieglinde on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:47:44 AM EST

Re: Will do anything to win? (2.00 / 1)

I was actually talking about the supporters not the candidates. Thanks for the comment.

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:54:02 AM EST
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how about Obama's vote for FISA? (none / 0)

i guess we see he real face now and his judgment...
so much for progressive & liberal hopeshit!

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by engels on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:25:35 AM EST

Re: how about Obama's vote for FISA? (none / 0)

So who will you vote for Engels?

by Politicalslave on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:39:36 AM EST
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Re: how about Obama's vote for FISA? (none / 0)

i said a month ago: if you forcing Hillary out, i will vote for McCain. How many times I have to repeat my answer?

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by engels on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 06:39:40 PM EST
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