Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arrived

Today Hillary arrives in Puerto Rico.  The other campaign has already been there, first sending surrogates like Richardson, then Obama himself arrving on Friday.  But the Lady in the Pantsuit arrives today!  And none of this would have been possible if Hillary just quit as the other side, the establishment and the media continued their attacks to hand the election to their chosen , instead of the PEOPLE choosing their preferred candidate to be President.

And Puerto Rico has all eyes on them, because the Lady doesn't quit.  

Puerto Rico matters!  And they know they will make a huge impact.

It is the first time in American history that Puerto Rico has experienced a serious presidential campaign. Their June 1 Primary has no history with the political media, sending beltway reporters scrambling in search of connections and good contacts on the island in case it becomes the location for the last great smackdown of the 2008 primary season.

“It’s an amazing time for Puerto Rico,” Francisco told me. “We've participated, but we really haven't mattered in the primary period -- it's been more symbolic than anything. It's exciting, it's historic -- we're witnessing history.”

And Puerto Ricans know they can count on Hillary to keep her words and deliver good change for them and our country.

“Although Chicago has a huge population of Puerto Ricans, the third most of any mainland city, Senator Obama's never cared or paid attention to our needs until he looked at the electoral calendar. The Clintons know us -- they pay attention to us, they care about us, they know our issues,” Francisco says, particularly the divisive issues of determining Puerto Rico’s ultimate political status. “But when it comes to Puerto Rico, Obama is all talk.  We know where Hillary has been, and where Obama has not.”

And as even though elections past haven't weighed the importance that this election does, they take know politics, are well educated and have always been active in their elections and have had routinely 80 percent turnout.

Like on the mainland, the economy is not taking a back seat in this election.

In terms of the issues that matter, just as on the mainland, the economy will be of great significance for Puerto Rican voters. The old maxim was that “when the mainland sneezes, we get a cold.” But now, Puerto Ricans are facing their first true island-born recession in a generation

And today, Puerto Rico gets the opportunity to hear Hillary's Solutions for Puerto Rico as she conducts her Townhall for “Solutions for Puerto Rico’s Families” town hall in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico.

“Barack Obama may have a 100 delegate lead by the convention. But that's nothing going into Denver when you haven’t proven you can win the important states in November,” Francisco says. “Kerry lost in 2004 in Ohio. Gore lost in 2000 in Florida. Hillary Clinton has won by such wide margins in so many critical states, and we have to gamble on the possibility of Obama winning in Ohio, in Florida, and in Pennsylvania – as a Democrat, I just don't feel safe about that.”

“That's why I tell my superdelegate colleagues and fellow citizens: when its’ time for us to cast our votes, we should be looking at a lot more than just a small pledged delegate lead.  We should be looking to win in November.”

In a cycle where so many pieces of conventional wisdom have gone out the window, it’s only fitting that Puerto Rico should play a decisive role.

And we agree!



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Nice Diary (none / 0)

But Puerto Rico isn't going to count for much either way.

Personally I think it's completely unacceptable and Puerto Rico gets more delegates than like 27 actual states.

However, it's nice to see both canidates there....

Nice Diary - phantom recced


by CaptainMorgan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:38:57 PM EST

Re: Nice Diary (2.00 / 4)

Really?

That kind of condescending attitude is what is burrying Obama.

But hey, who am I to tell the otherside their campaign tactics.  Continue on.

And, just because YOU brought it up.  You do realize Puerto Rico is part of the USA, right?  And she is an island that offers so much.-from  Rain Forests to important ag and business.  And you do know her population, yes?  before making that statement of why they should receive so many delegates?

And...one more thing.  That huge voting population also gets them the more delegates that North Carolina and Indiana.  

I'd say they matter a LOT and I'm sure they agree.


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:43:34 PM EST
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Re: Nice Diary (none / 0)

They don't get to vote in the general election.

If they did I'd be all for this.. but they don't.

It's not Obama's attitude.. it's MY attitude (please don't confuse the two)... If PR wants to be a state fine.. if not I don't think they should get a vote.

Just my opinion.... and I think reasonable people could disagree.

Cheers... and happy memorial day


by CaptainMorgan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:45:16 PM EST
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Puerto Rico (none / 0)

doesn't get a say in Presidential elections (maybe it should), but it doesn't. The fact that it's entirely possible for, what essentially is a colony, to completely swing a presidential primary one way or another just doesn't make sense.

If Puerto Rico wants to be equal with the rest of the country, it is free to become our 51st State. I will warmly welcome it as such, but until it does, I don't think it should hold anymore sway than the 50 states.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:49:03 PM EST
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Re: Puerto Rico (none / 0)

i agree with you...and actually so do a lot of puerto ricans.  two out of three local parties don't really agree with voting for president because they feel it's a step towards statehood, which they oppose.

I think it's completely ridiculous that PR gets more delegates than a number of actual states.  I feel that they should get a handful, but it just doesn't make a lick of sense that they have more say in the nomination than states that actually have electoral votes.


by bluedavid on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:15:42 PM EST
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Re: Nice Diary (1.00 / 2)

Someone compliments your diary, makes an observation and you turn into attack mode.  Linda, will you have a fucking life when this is done?  I'd be curious to know what type of person you are in the real world as opposed to the virtual one.  Because while I appreciate differing points of views and count GOP supporters as a couple of my best friends, you're a allegedly a Democrat and I wouldn't want to go anywhere near you or your hate.


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by LtWorf on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:18:29 PM EST
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Re: Nice Diary (none / 0)

Talk about condescending.

What a way to look down on Puerto Ricans.

Hillary the GREAT SAVIOR has arrived!

She is paying attention to Puerto Rico!

WE MATTER! How lucky we are to be visited by Hillary!

Please.

People on the island are alot smarter than you give them credit for in this diary.

Everybody knows IT DOESN'T matter.  This process is over.
The lack of enthusiasm on the streets says alot more about what people think of this "show" than anything else. If it was early in the cycle it would be another story. This is over. Even in Puerto Rico the people know that Hillary has virtually no chance.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:45:44 PM EST
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Re: Nice Diary (none / 0)

By the way. Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the General Election.

It's wrong to include the island as a metric to gauge popular support for the G.E.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:48:03 PM EST
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Re: Nice Diary (none / 0)

"Why can't Barry Hussein Obama close the deal with the troll demographic?"

love this!


by bluedavid on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:13:12 PM EST
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, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arrived (2.00 / 2)

Puerto Rico can deliver Hillary as our nominee!


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:39:34 PM EST

Re: , Puerto Rico's Day Has Arrived (none / 0)

I'm in Puerto Rico right now and I have not seen a single Hillary sign.  I just saw a rally for Obama in Old San Juan about an hour or two ago but not a clinton supporter in sight.  Lots of Obama signs, hats, t-shirts.  Obama even has his own spanish theme song down here.  PR might be closer than people think.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:09:29 PM EST
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Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (none / 0)

Kerry won Ohio by a large margin in the primary, and Gore ditto to Florida. So... what are you implying? Since Clinton won by less of a margin, she's going to lose them in the general election?

I guess I'm also wondering where Puerto Rico fits in here in importance- below Florida, but above Ohio, right? I agree, though, we'll throw away unimportant states, like Iowa and Washington, in favor of Puerto Rico. Right?

I have some Ricanian blood in me, so to watch you make these claims is hilarious. Sorry. Hispanics are a bloc; they don't all vote together, there's plenty of things different in what's important to them, and they don't all love Clinton. I could find a guy somewhere to parrot Obama party lines what was Puerto Rican, if I had to- but we don't have to stoop to that, I guess.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:41:56 PM EST

Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (2.00 / 3)

Oh, honey.  You think Kerry won Ohio?  I was there.  And as a matter of fact, I was making calls verifying votes, even when we couldn't get Kerry to ask for a recount when we knew of the problems.  Even still after he conceded the race faster than any other in history with such known problems.

Please


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:47:25 PM EST
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Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (none / 0)

Kerry won Ohio by a large margin in the primary

Say what?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:49:58 PM EST
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Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (2.00 / 2)

OK. lol

I wouldn't compare Kerry's primary on anything, especially considering how it ended.  Especially because he was about the only candidate running in Ohio, besides John Edwards.  But, you bring up an interesting point still.  If Kerry won the Primary, even though he was the annointed nominee already at that point, don't you think he would have cared to check out all those problems with voting, when he promised "he would count every vote", but yet he race to concede fater than anyone could have imagined.  Not that anyone ever accused Kerry of having back bone.

The General Election is what gives the Presidency.  And Hillary is showing to be the winner there.  And that's the one Kerry walked away from in the midst of election problems.


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:01:58 PM EST
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Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (none / 0)

I've yet to see anything convincing that she's better equipped for the general election.  Her negatives are sky-high, and her fundraising has been unable to match her spending.

Nominating her, knowing what we know, would be very reckless.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:05:50 PM EST
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Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (none / 0)

Well, your response is a little convoluted there, but I think I get the gist of what you mean.

Obama is winning in just as many projections of the general election as Clinton. In fact, a lot of the crosstabs show us that even with Obama's winning combination, he's suffering from a large number of Clinton-supporters "dead-ending" the polls. Ie, Obama supporters say they'll vote for Clinton, but some Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama.

However, this is rapidly eroding, as well. In Ohio, SUSA just posted a winning poll for Obama, and he improved 25% with Democrats over the last poll. In Florida, he did the same, although he's still trailing McCain. As to Florida, if you give that to Clinton hands down, I think I'd like some of what you're smoking. Florida will be a helluva fight for any Democratic candidate- a fight we need to have, for sure, but not one we can be assured a win of.

The problem I see is that Clinton's path to the presidency requires her to win both Ohio and Florida, and while Ohio seems to be solidly in her column, if she loses Florida on most projections- she's done. Obama can, however, win without OH and FL if he needs to- but it doesn't look like it'll be necessary.

They're both electable, a point I made long ago. But Obama's going to win the nomination, and he's going to get the majority of Clinton supporters to come along with him, after we're done with all this primary bullshit. Now, however, you made a very good point, I think in your diary. When Obama wins in November, it will be thanks, in no small part (if not entirely) to the efforts of Senator Clinton.

Here we are, almost in June, and look how many people have voted, how many places have Democratic infrastructure that didn't before, how many people we've got supporting both sides, how much money we've raised, how many new voters we've registered- if Clinton had dropped out in March, we wouldn't have that. If she hadn't put Obama through his paces in March and April, the Republicans would've gotten to. Now, if they try to do it, people will just shrug and go "Pfft, Clinton tried that already. She's a helluva fighter, and if she couldn't make it stick, how can the Republicans?"

And it's supporters like you who've been the only reason she's lasted as long as she has, in my opinion. She played a poor ground game- thanks to people like Mark Penn, among others, who never cared an instant about her, just the $$$, and let the hubris ensure she entered a deficit she could never come out of- but it's people like you who have kept her going, and I'll tell you what, it impresses the hell out of me. I'd be honored to work with you any day of the week.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:13:37 PM EST
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Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (2.00 / 1)

I just love the display of condescending and demeaning remarks to others, to make themselves feel better.

Way to go!  Keep it up Camp Obama, you're realling winning them over.  lmao


by thebluenote on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:49:18 PM EST
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Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (none / 0)

Sorry, but I'm still going to call cheap shots and trashy logic. But if you want to play that game, can I bring Hillaryis44.org, or Taylor Marsh, or No Quarter into play in this game?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:54:50 PM EST
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Puerto Rico will deliver Hillary as the nominee!!

Thanks for reminding everyone :)


by linfar on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:58:59 PM EST

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First of all, numerically impossible.  Secondly, would it really sit well with you that a non-state with no electoral votes in the GE were to decide our party's nominee in such a close race???


by bluedavid on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:11:15 PM EST
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Puerto Rico has had more than one opportunity to become a state.  Thus far, the the Puerto Rican people have not voted to become a state.  I was there for one of the plebecites, when I was a kid.  I lived in Puerto Rico for three years.  It's a nice place, with some great people.

But they have not decided to become a state.  I'm uneasy about Puerto Rico having a say in the primary system, though I'm not opposed to it necessarily.  They are governed by the same president as the rest of us.

But to buttress the "electability" argument, or even the "popular vote" argument, based on a non-state that cannot vote in the general election seems a bit silly to me.  I am not speaking for the Obama campaign, so please nobody be so childish as to assign my remarks to them.

Their opinions matter to me, of course, but I'm not so sure they should matter to whom we nominate.  Not very much anyway.  They've had chances to switch from a territory to a state.  The feds aren't keeping them as they are, I can assure you.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:01:19 PM EST

aguadilla (none / 0)

is where my mom is from, i can bet on knowing a few people at the event lol


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:43:21 PM EST

Re: Thanks To Hillary, Puerto Rico's Day Has Arriv (2.00 / 1)

OK, this diary is a great example of why rehashing campaign talking points is so useless.  It's obvious that you either don't know anything about PR other than what hillary's campaign is putting out there or you're willfully distorting facts.

1)  Puerto Rico does not vote in the GE.  It's ridiculous to suggest that the island having more delegates than several states is justifiable in our nominating process.  It's equally ridiculous to suggest that puertoriquenos are super excited about participating in the first round of an election that they won't be able to participate in come november.

2)  Puerto Rican politics are centered around the three local parties and their respective positions with regards to the island's status.  This is what motivates people.  National politics are not that important and are completely a function of which local party decides to back which national politician.  

3)  A large number of PR voters completely reject the idea of getting a vote in the presidential election because they view it as a step towards statehood, which two of the three major parties work against.

4)  80% turnout is seen in local elections in which patronage jobs are at stake where the local party's put their machines into action.  in a national primary, the local parties have very little to gain, so they have little incentive to throw their whole weight into GOTV, etc.   additionally, non-local elections tend to see much lower numbers, and the timing of this primary is particularly bad (nice day to go to the beach...)

5)  many people still have bad feelings about changes in the tax code during bill clinton's administration that stopped exempting puerto rican manufacturers from federal taxes.  many people blame the loss of +/-10,000 manufacturing jobs in the last decade on this one change in policy, which does not endear them to the clintons.

Finally, if you're going to post a diary about something, why don't you pick something you actually know about???


by bluedavid on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:09:41 PM EST


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