We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy

As I visit MyDD each day I read diary after diary which seem to ignore reality and attempted to diminish or damage our nominee Sen. Obama.  

They have titles like.  
     XYZ is Clinton Country!
     See you in Denver!!
     Is Obama Ready To Quit?
     Should Hillary Make Obama Her VP?
     Don't Give Up, Don't Ever Give UP
     Obama Is Unelectable!
     Hillary Leads In Popular Vote!
     It's The Electoral Math!
     No Michigan/Florida No Peace!

After reading these posts it almost made sense, just like college cheerleaders keep cheering for their team even after it appears they can't win.   (Don't accuse me of being sexist, I said college on purpose since the teams are 50/50 men and women)   It made sense because we all know you don't give up in the middle of a game, not while there is time on the clock right?

Then it hit me.  We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy

I was watching fox soccer channel as they were reviewing the season results.  It was a review of both the top of the table (that's what they call season record rankings) and the bottom.  In English soccer the bottom few teams in each league get "relegated ", a relegated team gets bumped out of their current  League down to the next level league.  If a team finishes in the top 3 of the lower league you get to move up to the Premier league.   This year was particularly interesting because unlike many previous years the "relegation" decisions were not finalized until the final game.  At mid season everyone thought Fullham was going to be relegated based on their record.  The mistake folks made was they called it too soon.  At mid season there were enough games left that when Fullham changed their fortunes and started winning they were had enough games left to avoid relegation.  

How does this relate to the current democratic nomination battle?  Simple, it isn't a game it's a season and people have been using the wrong analogy.  In a game, until the last moment you can always come back.  A freak play, a blown save, one last magical play and you can come back in a game.  In a season, once the gap between you and the leader is greater than the number of matches left, you can no longer win.   Each week in this nomination battle is a game within the season not part of a continuous game.  
It's not the game (KY, SD, OR,) it's the season that's over.

It's time to start playing for draft picks and the future.  



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Good analogy (none / 0)

And even a team that has no chance of clinching the title keeps playing through the end of the season. But they look like real fools if they go around saying that they're going to come out on top.


by PhilFR on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:54:18 PM EST

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And they truly are fools if they think the two sides are going to unite when one calls the other fools


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:42:22 PM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

one of the sides will call the other foolish regardless...  I have been called foolish for following an "empty suit" for crying out loud...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:58:02 PM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

Hey look, what we have to realize is it took a long time to get us to this point. This is probably the longest primary battle ever, and even though one side has now drawn clear, It's still a very close race, and the other side has a great deal of support. We have to unify both sides, so let's drop all the rhetoric, that we picked up along the way, and start acting civil, because if we want to win in November we have to be together.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:04:05 AM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (2.00 / 3)

I'm fond of the chess analogy.

A good chess player knows when she has been outmaneuvered, and spares both players the indignity of playing through to her defeat by gracefully resigning.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:11:18 PM EST

I like your name. (none / 0)

And the analogy too.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:54:20 PM EST
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Re: I like your name. (none / 0)

Glad you like.

As an extension of the chess analogy, there is a good reason why you resign when it is clear your opponent can force checkmate.

If you are playing at any reasonable skill level, you can safely assume that your opponent sees the endgame just as clearly as you do.  To continue playing is an insult to your opponent, signifying you think he is such an amateur that he either does not see the checkmate or will make a critical error and you can scrape by with a win or a draw.

It is also an insult to yourself, because if your opponent is such an amateur, and he's so thoroughly outplayed you, what does that make you?


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:03:07 AM EST
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I thought of a couple analogies long ago. (none / 0)

Right now seems as good a time as any to share them.

You can take a lot of political analogies from chess.  For one, it is important to seize the initiative, to make your opponent fight on the grounds of your choosing.  Also, it is important to keep a sharp look at the landscape and figure out the imbalances that favor you and those that favor your opponent.  Those that favor you, you try to exploit, and you try to manipulate the position to make your opponent's advantages less important.  Finally, it is usually best to keep your opponent on the defensive, when they are defending, it is more difficult for them to attack you.

Those are mistakes that the Dems have made all too often in recent years.  They kept allowing the GOP to define the debate and utilize their advantages to the fullest.  Hopefully we've begun to move beyond that.  I see positive signs.

It was so disheartening at the time though.  I kept wishing that more Democrats would understand how chess works!


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:33:58 AM EST
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My point (none / 0)

Even though the team keeps playing they stop telling the fan's they are winning the championship that year and definitely stop selling tickets to the playoffs they know they can't qualify to participate in.


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:26:16 PM EST

Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (2.00 / 1)

A better analogy:

This primary is like a group of people throwing iced fish off a miniature pier only to realize their pockets were full of guava jelly the whole time.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:44:12 PM EST

Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (2.00 / 1)

Dude, you just totally blew my mind...


Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!
by neeborMolgula on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:57:50 PM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (none / 0)

Can I have some of whatever you're taking?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:07:52 PM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (none / 0)

What's really scary is I think I understand that.:)


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:44:02 PM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (2.00 / 1)

The problem with that analogy is that it is technically possible for Clinton to win, and that was always be true until Denver, because Supers can vote how they want. We could go to the convention and mysteriously have every super vote Clinton.

Is that going to happen? No. But while the specter of doubt remains, her most passionate supporters won't want to give up. Which is why many have called on her to concede. I think at this point, such calls are premature; it may have been appropriate for her to drop out after Wisconsin, or TX and OH, but as soon as NC/IN happened, it was in Obama's interest that she stay in, at LEAST through Oregon, if not the end. (Specifically because we don't really want Clinton to formally offer a concession, and then win a 30 point victory in Kentucky or 40+ in WV.)

BO has switched to GE mode, and the tide of Supers has helped enable that. Since Clinton has invested 15-20 million dollars of her own money and a year and a half of her life into this process, why even bother asking her to quit?

As far as her supporters and their diaries - well, a lot of them have put as much effort into this as anyone. Look at Alegre, to name a high profile supporter on DD of Clinton. Her diaries are like clockwork. She talks about events, fundraising, calling, and so on. Why expect her to quit before Clinton does? If you can pour that much energy into the race, then at this late date, it makes no sense to expect her supporters to stop either.

My advice would be - if you're convinced that Obama is "the nominee", then find and Rec good diaries that are not primary related. If the votes for quality General Election stuff or, god forbid, issue/topical diaries, overwhelmed the cheerleading/concern diaries, I imagine people would write them less. (And they'd be less likely to malinger on the rec list)

This will wrap up soon enough, I think.


by mattw on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:55:29 PM EST

Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (2.00 / 3)

My advice would be - if you're convinced that Obama is "the nominee", then find and Rec good diaries that are not primary related.

Problem is, if you're convinced Obama is the nominee, then you probably aren't allowed to rec diaries here.
Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!
by neeborMolgula on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:58:54 PM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (none / 0)

I'm not asking or expecting them to quit.  

I just think it's disingenuous to continue to sell folks playoff tickets.  (plea for people to send more money)


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:04:52 PM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (2.00 / 1)

Love the soccer analogy because I'm a brit. I'm always completely lost when you all use baseball or American football analogies.

Yes. It's a LEAGUE, not a single match or knockout contest.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:07:13 PM EST

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I am talking as a Hillary supporter. This is my view. It's no longer a matter of if she is going to concede, it's just a matter of when. I would guess it will be soon after Tuesday's vote. I am certain she will throw her support to Barack Obama, and urge her supporters to do the same. The next step will be up to Senator Obama, who as the nominee of the party will have to provide the leadership necessary to unite the party for the real fight still to come.

We are all here for one purpose, candidates and supporters alike, and that is to win the White House for the democrats in November.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:51:39 PM EST

Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (none / 0)

What roll will Sen. Clinton's supporters play in the general election?

Other than being asked to vote or give money to Sen. Obama?


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:46:24 AM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (none / 0)

What role does most anyone play?


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:29:10 AM EST
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Re: We've Been Using The Wrong Analogy (none / 0)

And the answer to your question?

Yeppers. I did ask. I'd just like to have your answer for the record. :D


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:26:35 PM EST
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